It isn’t all bad…..

That tells you a huge amount about medical science for the last 100-200 years. A lot of babies didn't make it through the early stages. And if they did there were a lot of illnesses that killed children, which are either very rare today, or are treatable. Homes are safer (e.g. no open fires), house fires are less common etc, so fatal accidents are rarer too. 

Greater life expectancy at birth is more down to babies making it out of childhood, than more people making it past 80 and 90 (though there is some of that).   

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

Life expectancy in the U.K. is lower now than it was 2017-2019. See https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/long-reads/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england# 

ANDY00 said

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

There is no LOL though.  We have a massive increase in childhood poverty, a crippled NHS and shit in the drinking water.  Still we have the "Brexit Benefit" of tables outside cafes and restaurants according to Kemi Badenough.  Oh wait, didn't we have those before?

GDSandy Photography said

ANDY00 said

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

There is no LOL though.  We have a massive increase in childhood poverty, a crippled NHS and shit in the drinking water.  Still we have the "Brexit Benefit" of tables outside cafes and restaurants according to Kemi Badenough.  Oh wait, didn't we have those before?

It’s not just the economy driving sickness and starvation; it’s a global issue driven by global warming and mass migration.

GDSandy Photography said

ANDY00 said

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

There is no LOL though.  We have a massive increase in childhood poverty, a crippled NHS and shit in the drinking water.  Still we have the "Brexit Benefit" of tables outside cafes and restaurants according to Kemi Badenough.  Oh wait, didn't we have those before?

I doubt poverty has seen a massive increase in absolute terms…..starvation, death from preventable diseases etc as we are seeing in Africa and parts of Asia and that we saw in 19C UK.  If you believe that is the case then I’d be interested in your data for that claim.  However, I suspect the increase is in relative terms and the trouble with that is the ‘relativity’ of the definition….where is the line drawn below which one is poor and who drew that line.  I don’t deny it’s the case I would just like to understand the methodology.  

The NHS is crippled, I agree.  But I think the real worry is why has this happened.  The usual answer is that it hasn’t enough money.  The true answer is much more complex and nuanced.  It is asked to do too much (too broad a brief); the demand is too high (no other democratic society has a completely-free-at-point-of-contact system); its structure is at the same time too monolithic and too complex (it is still one of the largest if not the largest organisations in the world); it doesn’t manage its resources effectively (ie doing the right things) or efficiently (ie doing those things right) eg it has twice as many ‘diversity and inclusion’ managers’ as neurosurgeons and 15% more than palliative care consultants.  The whole concept of an NHS needs to be rethought for the 21st century.  From the ground up.  The Tories dare not do it for the criticism they would get for every move.  Labour should do it but given the shit Tony Blair got for his minor tinkering in his ‘landslide era’, I doubt Starmer has it on his bucket list.  So I despair, I truly do.

None of this has anything to do with Brexit.

I was hoping this might turn into a celebratory thread.  Oh well…..

Carlos said

GDSandy Photography said

ANDY00 said

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

There is no LOL though.  We have a massive increase in childhood poverty, a crippled NHS and shit in the drinking water.  Still we have the "Brexit Benefit" of tables outside cafes and restaurants according to Kemi Badenough.  Oh wait, didn't we have those before?

I doubt poverty has seen a massive increase in absolute terms…..starvation, death from preventable diseases etc as we are seeing in Africa and parts of Asia and that we saw in 19C UK.  If you believe that is the case then I’d be interested in your data for that claim.  However, I suspect the increase is in relative terms and the trouble with that is the ‘relativity’ of the definition….where is the line drawn below which one is poor and who drew that line.  I don’t deny it’s the case I would just like to understand the methodology.  

The NHS is crippled, I agree.  But I think the real worry is why has this happened.  The usual answer is that it hasn’t enough money.  The true answer is much more complex and nuanced.  It is asked to do too much (too broad a brief); the demand is too high (no other democratic society has a completely-free-at-point-of-contact system); its structure is at the same time too monolithic and too complex (it is still one of the largest if not the largest organisations in the world); it doesn’t manage its resources effectively (ie doing the right things) or efficiently (ie doing those things right) eg it has twice as many ‘diversity and inclusion’ managers’ as neurosurgeons and 15% more than palliative care consultants.  The whole concept of an NHS needs to be rethought for the 21st century.  From the ground up.  The Tories dare not do it for the criticism they would get for every move.  Labour should do it but given the shit Tony Blair got for his minor tinkering in his ‘landslide era’, I doubt Starmer has it on his bucket list.  So I despair, I truly do.

None of this has anything to do with Brexit.

It is very hard to give firm numbers as the current government works hard to keep those kinds of figures off the books or obscured. However, it is a fact globally that a warming climate is driving higher food and fuel prices. This change also causes more droughts and flooding through more extreme weather, adding to astronomical losses in crop yields worldwide. Not to mention, a few wars are causing issues in food production and shipping. All of these factors are contributing to mass migration towards the UK and cooler climates, which puts more stress and pressure on our economy and health infrastructure. It’s a pendulum, and all the motion is fixed in this direction.

Right now, there is a dramatic risk to life in the east of the world due to the highest temperatures on record, which will devastate harvests and cause necessary migration to preserve life. 

ANDY00 said

Carlos said

GDSandy Photography said

ANDY00 said

In 1965, people still died of starvation and dysentery. Lol, don't worry, starvation in the Western world is coming back into fashion. And if health services get any worse, dysentery may well be on its way back as well. Lol, there have already been a fair few cases of plague this year.

There is no LOL though.  We have a massive increase in childhood poverty, a crippled NHS and shit in the drinking water.  Still we have the "Brexit Benefit" of tables outside cafes and restaurants according to Kemi Badenough.  Oh wait, didn't we have those before?

I doubt poverty has seen a massive increase in absolute terms…..starvation, death from preventable diseases etc as we are seeing in Africa and parts of Asia and that we saw in 19C UK.  If you believe that is the case then I’d be interested in your data for that claim.  However, I suspect the increase is in relative terms and the trouble with that is the ‘relativity’ of the definition….where is the line drawn below which one is poor and who drew that line.  I don’t deny it’s the case I would just like to understand the methodology.  

The NHS is crippled, I agree.  But I think the real worry is why has this happened.  The usual answer is that it hasn’t enough money.  The true answer is much more complex and nuanced.  It is asked to do too much (too broad a brief); the demand is too high (no other democratic society has a completely-free-at-point-of-contact system); its structure is at the same time too monolithic and too complex (it is still one of the largest if not the largest organisations in the world); it doesn’t manage its resources effectively (ie doing the right things) or efficiently (ie doing those things right) eg it has twice as many ‘diversity and inclusion’ managers’ as neurosurgeons and 15% more than palliative care consultants.  The whole concept of an NHS needs to be rethought for the 21st century.  From the ground up.  The Tories dare not do it for the criticism they would get for every move.  Labour should do it but given the shit Tony Blair got for his minor tinkering in his ‘landslide era’, I doubt Starmer has it on his bucket list.  So I despair, I truly do.

None of this has anything to do with Brexit.

It is very hard to give firm numbers as the current government works hard to keep those kinds of figures off the books or obscured. However, it is a fact globally that a warming climate is driving higher food and fuel prices. This change also causes more droughts and flooding through more extreme weather, adding to astronomical losses in crop yields worldwide. Not to mention, a few wars are causing issues in food production and shipping. All of these factors are contributing to mass migration towards the UK and cooler climates, which puts more stress and pressure on our economy and health infrastructure. It’s a pendulum, and all the motion is fixed in this direction.

Right now, there is a dramatic risk to life in the east of the world due to the highest temperatures on record, which will devastate harvests and cause necessary migration to preserve life. 

I think you make a fair point Andy. The effects of climate change are are devastating. But it's not only the 3.6 billion people eking out a living in the planet's poorest places who will suffer, though they will likely bear the brunt of it first. Climate change is affecting countries with (near) universal healthcare too, such as our own. Recent reports from the World Health Organisation suggest that if our current emission rates continue, the situation will become much, much worse for everyone, as the following graphic attempts to summarise...

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Source: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-change-and-health 

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waist.it  I'm actually writing a book about it, to be honest, but there's so much that governments keep under wraps due to monetary incentives and politics. There are so many cogs in the machine that it takes a considerable amount of time to explain all the parts that are failing, but essentially, they all stem from the warming planet. All these issues are 100% fixable, but the government will not or cannot commit fully due to money. Money really is the root of all evil.

Governments often obscure or downplay critical information related to climate change and its impacts due to various reasons, including economic interests and political pressures. Industries that contribute significantly to greenhouse gas emissions, such as fossil fuels, have powerful lobbies that influence policy-making. The reluctance to transition to renewable energy sources or implement stringent environmental regulations often stems from the fear of economic repercussions and the influence of these lobbies.

The impacts of climate change are interconnected and multifaceted. Explaining these issues requires understanding how climate change affects different sectors, including agriculture, water resources, health, and infrastructure. For instance, higher temperatures can lead to more frequent and severe droughts, which affect crop yields and food security. Additionally, extreme weather events like hurricanes and floods can devastate communities and economies.

It’s worth noting that this year has seen the warmest temperatures across the globe ever recorded. Ocean temperatures are becoming dangerously high at their current standard—or should I say, new standard—temperature, which is killing the ecosystems of our oceans. For example, the first three months of 2024 have been the warmest January-March period on record, with March 2024 being the warmest March ever recorded globally. These unprecedented temperatures are contributing to significant ecological impacts, including widespread coral bleaching and disruptions to marine life​

As temperatures rise globally, it becomes impossible to grow crops or feed livestock in affected areas, and these areas expand exponentially on a yearly basis, causing mass migration to cooler climates. This is only the beginning, and our government is like a deer in the headlights.

I think the general life expectancy is a very blunt tool to measure the health of the nation. As someone with a long term health condition and a mother with Alzheimer's for the past four or five years aged 80 I think quality of life is much more telling.

ANDY00 said

waist.it  I'm actually writing a book about it, to be honest, but there's so much that governments keep under wraps due to monetary incentives and politics. There are so many cogs in the machine that it takes a considerable amount of time to explain all the parts that are failing, but essentially, they all stem from the warming planet. All these issues are 100% fixable, but the government will not or cannot commit fully due to money. Money really is the root of all evil.

Governments often obscure or downplay critical information related to climate change and its impacts due to various reasons, including economic interests and political pressures. Industries that contribute significantly to greenhouse gas emissions, such as fossil fuels, have powerful lobbies that influence policy-making. The reluctance to transition to renewable energy sources or implement stringent environmental regulations often stems from the fear of economic repercussions and the influence of these lobbies.

The impacts of climate change are interconnected and multifaceted. Explaining these issues requires understanding how climate change affects different sectors, including agriculture, water resources, health, and infrastructure. For instance, higher temperatures can lead to more frequent and severe droughts, which affect crop yields and food security. Additionally, extreme weather events like hurricanes and floods can devastate communities and economies.

It’s worth noting that this year has seen the warmest temperatures across the globe ever recorded. Ocean temperatures are becoming dangerously high at their current standard—or should I say, new standard—temperature, which is killing the ecosystems of our oceans. For example, the first three months of 2024 have been the warmest January-March period on record, with March 2024 being the warmest March ever recorded globally. These unprecedented temperatures are contributing to significant ecological impacts, including widespread coral bleaching and disruptions to marine life​

As temperatures rise globally, it becomes impossible to grow crops or feed livestock in affected areas, and these areas expand exponentially on a yearly basis, causing mass migration to cooler climates. This is only the beginning, and our government is like a deer in the headlights.

Yes it is indeed massively complex. Particularly when some local temperatures were slightly lower than normal. Which in turn fires-up the "It's not hot here, so global warming must be bollocks" brigade. The most alarming thing is that essentially many western governments are still in various stages of denial, with arguably the planet's worst polluter threatening to elect a president who has promised to give a totally free-hand to "big oil".

WRT the book. I'd be interested to see the draft(s) if you are ever are ever of a mind to share it. In the strictest confidence of course.

waist.it said

ANDY00 said

waist.it  I'm actually writing a book about it, to be honest, but there's so much that governments keep under wraps due to monetary incentives and politics. There are so many cogs in the machine that it takes a considerable amount of time to explain all the parts that are failing, but essentially, they all stem from the warming planet. All these issues are 100% fixable, but the government will not or cannot commit fully due to money. Money really is the root of all evil.

Governments often obscure or downplay critical information related to climate change and its impacts due to various reasons, including economic interests and political pressures. Industries that contribute significantly to greenhouse gas emissions, such as fossil fuels, have powerful lobbies that influence policy-making. The reluctance to transition to renewable energy sources or implement stringent environmental regulations often stems from the fear of economic repercussions and the influence of these lobbies.

The impacts of climate change are interconnected and multifaceted. Explaining these issues requires understanding how climate change affects different sectors, including agriculture, water resources, health, and infrastructure. For instance, higher temperatures can lead to more frequent and severe droughts, which affect crop yields and food security. Additionally, extreme weather events like hurricanes and floods can devastate communities and economies.

It’s worth noting that this year has seen the warmest temperatures across the globe ever recorded. Ocean temperatures are becoming dangerously high at their current standard—or should I say, new standard—temperature, which is killing the ecosystems of our oceans. For example, the first three months of 2024 have been the warmest January-March period on record, with March 2024 being the warmest March ever recorded globally. These unprecedented temperatures are contributing to significant ecological impacts, including widespread coral bleaching and disruptions to marine life​

As temperatures rise globally, it becomes impossible to grow crops or feed livestock in affected areas, and these areas expand exponentially on a yearly basis, causing mass migration to cooler climates. This is only the beginning, and our government is like a deer in the headlights.

Yes it is indeed massively complex. Particularly when some local temperatures were slightly lower than normal. Which in turn fires-up the "It's not hot here, so global warming must be bollocks" brigade. The most alarming thing is that essentially many western governments are still in various stages of denial, with arguably the planet's worst polluter threatening to elect a president who has promised to give a totally free-hand to "big oil".

WRT the book. I'd be interested to see the draft(s) if you are ever are ever of a mind to share it. In the strictest confidence of course.

The president is almost completely backed by big oil, making it difficult for him to step in their way—that’s politics. But not only that, the countries that claim to be doing the most to offset climate change are also selling natural resources like coal, gas and oil to other countries, which increases pollution—all to make money. My book, although still a work in progress, is also a plan of sorts called The Hades Project. Although far from finished, it is being looked at by some local MPs right now. Once it’s finished, I will gladly let you read it.

Carlos said

I was hoping this might turn into a celebratory thread.  Oh well…..

This is the Internet... ;) :(

ANDY00 said

waist.it said

ANDY00 said

waist.it  I'm actually writing a book about it, to be honest, but there's so much that governments keep under wraps due to monetary incentives and politics. There are so many cogs in the machine that it takes a considerable amount of time to explain all the parts that are failing, but essentially, they all stem from the warming planet. All these issues are 100% fixable, but the government will not or cannot commit fully due to money. Money really is the root of all evil.

Governments often obscure or downplay critical information related to climate change and its impacts due to various reasons, including economic interests and political pressures. Industries that contribute significantly to greenhouse gas emissions, such as fossil fuels, have powerful lobbies that influence policy-making. The reluctance to transition to renewable energy sources or implement stringent environmental regulations often stems from the fear of economic repercussions and the influence of these lobbies.

The impacts of climate change are interconnected and multifaceted. Explaining these issues requires understanding how climate change affects different sectors, including agriculture, water resources, health, and infrastructure. For instance, higher temperatures can lead to more frequent and severe droughts, which affect crop yields and food security. Additionally, extreme weather events like hurricanes and floods can devastate communities and economies.

It’s worth noting that this year has seen the warmest temperatures across the globe ever recorded. Ocean temperatures are becoming dangerously high at their current standard—or should I say, new standard—temperature, which is killing the ecosystems of our oceans. For example, the first three months of 2024 have been the warmest January-March period on record, with March 2024 being the warmest March ever recorded globally. These unprecedented temperatures are contributing to significant ecological impacts, including widespread coral bleaching and disruptions to marine life​

As temperatures rise globally, it becomes impossible to grow crops or feed livestock in affected areas, and these areas expand exponentially on a yearly basis, causing mass migration to cooler climates. This is only the beginning, and our government is like a deer in the headlights.

Yes it is indeed massively complex. Particularly when some local temperatures were slightly lower than normal. Which in turn fires-up the "It's not hot here, so global warming must be bollocks" brigade. The most alarming thing is that essentially many western governments are still in various stages of denial, with arguably the planet's worst polluter threatening to elect a president who has promised to give a totally free-hand to "big oil".

WRT the book. I'd be interested to see the draft(s) if you are ever are ever of a mind to share it. In the strictest confidence of course.

The president is almost completely backed by big oil, making it difficult for him to step in their way—that’s politics. But not only that, the countries that claim to be doing the most to offset climate change are also selling natural resources like coal, gas and oil to other countries, which increases pollution—all to make money. My book, although still a work in progress, is also a plan of sorts called The Hades Project. Although far from finished, it is being looked at by some local MPs right now. Once it’s finished, I will gladly let you read it.

Thank you. :-)